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Forumotion.

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With Max's blessing I am putting an the following out there.
I checked out forumotion and even created a group just to see what can be done.
The big negative is: The site has a 20mb storage limit. A higher limit can be purchased with 'credits'. 'Credits' can be purchased by paypal. Personally, I believe if this option is chosen, everyone should pitch in.
The basic (free) package looks useable. To use the basic package it looks like people would have to link to their Google Drives or dropbox accounts. Which I know many hate since Google spies.
I messaged a few people to get their opinions and see if they would commit. I believe the people I contacted have the right attitudes when it come to a script site and working with others.
I can not see an endeavor like this succeeded being a one-man-band like SD or W2R. By that I mean, it can't ten people who honestly care for the site/group while five hundred lurk in the shadows taking up space.

If the site on forumotion works out... maybe we could branch and get a real site like SD.
 
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Personally, I don't care if anyone shares.
If all anyone wants from the site is networking with trading partners, I am fine with that.
If people want to start a private group to rival SG, I am fine with that.
Ask yourself this: could a new site work with the Sharers vs. Traders arguments? I think all members should have something to bring to the table.
 
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I'd be very down to try this, and if it works, pitch in some money. I completely agree on the need to avoid sharer/trader arguments though (even if debate can be healthy).
 
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No arguments from me. I prefer to share, but will be flexible. I'm mostly interested in keeping the community going and keeping it all flowing.
 
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I checked out forumotion and even created a group just to see what can be done.
Please check out Keybase -- it's free, encrypted, and it runs like Slack. It runs threaded discussions like a forum, and you can attach links and files. Plus, you can have private messages all in a modern interface. It runs on Mac, Windows, Linux, iOS and Android.

Did I mention end to end encryption and free? IMHO, this is much better for our purposes than an unencrypted forum.

Please give it a try and let us know what you think.
 
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Using my phone I checked out Keybase. I saw a site for communication. There certain things people can not do on their phones which they can do on their desktop.
 
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@235wide

Is it possible to build a decentralized file sharing network using Syncthing? You think that might work?
Sure.

First, let me suggest Keybase as an alternative, as mentioned above.

Yes, Keybase is centralized, but it is not accessible via the web, and it is encrypted end to end, so it's very private. It also provides all the communication and file sharing features you'd want with 250GB storage all for free. Someone just needs to sign up, reserve a team name and let folks know.

Now, getting back to building a decentralized file sharing network.

It's important to understand that to participate in the file sharing network, a member will need to store the entire contents of the network on their hard drive. If there's 20GB of files on the network, every member has to maintain a 20GB folder on their drive.

The two big competitors for this approach are Syncthing and Resilio Sync. The trade-off is price vs. ease of use.

Syncthing is free, but complicated and a bit of a hassle to implement. It's designed for IT guys, and they don't make it easy for non-engineers. For a remote file sharing network, it requires port forwarding and some fussy authorization code installations to get members on board. This could lead to some hair-pulling troubleshooting, and some folks just not wanting to mess with it. The big advantage is that it's free. (It is not available for iPhones or iPads.)

Resilio Sync is free for a limited feature set, which would be fine for many members. The person who implements the network (let's call them El Jefe) would probably need to buy the Home Pro version for $60. (Less if there's a sale.) The big advantage with Sync is that it's very easy to use. All the port configs and internet protocols are handled automatically, and connecting folks is as easy as pasting a weblink.

Once Sync is configured, sharing is as simple as dropping a file into a folder. It's very stable and convenient.

Most members would do fine with Sync free, since their main use would be using the network folder provided by El Jefe.

If a member has other use for a sync program, paying the $60 is well worth the extra features. One of the handiest features of the Pro version is selective sync. You can view all the files on the network on your iphone/iPad, but only download what you want when you want it. I don't think this feature is available from Syncthing; if it is, it's going to take some major IT-type configs to get it to work.

So, yes, you could do it with Syncthing, but it may create some headaches. Sync is easier, but might cost a little money. The main advantage of this approach is decentralization. The main disadvantage is that you have to store the entire inventory of the network on your hard drive (unless you pay to use Sync's Selective Sync feature.)

On balance, I recommend Keybase as a more useful solution.

Hope that helps.
 
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Using my phone I checked out Keybase. I saw a site for communication. There certain things people can not do on their phones which they can do on their desktop.
Did you check out the Teams features? That's the most forum-like. If the phone feature-set isn't limited in Teams, it should be fine.
 
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Totally down for this. I agree wh the no arguing/debating. We had that here and look where it’s got us. The people who want to move over need to do so for the love of having a community not to punish the haves
 

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Sure.

First, let me suggest Keybase as an alternative, as mentioned above.

Yes, Keybase is centralized, but it is not accessible via the web, and it is encrypted end to end, so it's very private. It also provides all the communication and file sharing features you'd want with 250GB storage all for free. Someone just needs to sign up, reserve a team name and let folks know.

Now, getting back to building a decentralized file sharing network.

It's important to understand that to participate in the file sharing network, a member will need to store the entire contents of the network on their hard drive. If there's 20GB of files on the network, every member has to maintain a 20GB folder on their drive.

The two big competitors for this approach are Syncthing and Resilio Sync. The trade-off is price vs. ease of use.

Syncthing is free, but complicated and a bit of a hassle to implement. It's designed for IT guys, and they don't make it easy for non-engineers. For a remote file sharing network, it requires port forwarding and some fussy authorization code installations to get members on board. This could lead to some hair-pulling troubleshooting, and some folks just not wanting to mess with it. The big advantage is that it's free. (It is not available for iPhones or iPads.)

Resilio Sync is free for a limited feature set, which would be fine for many members. The person who implements the network (let's call them El Jefe) would probably need to buy the Home Pro version for $60. (Less if there's a sale.) The big advantage with Sync is that it's very easy to use. All the port configs and internet protocols are handled automatically, and connecting folks is as easy as pasting a weblink.

Once Sync is configured, sharing is as simple as dropping a file into a folder. It's very stable and convenient.

Most members would do fine with Sync free, since their main use would be using the network folder provided by El Jefe.

If a member has other use for a sync program, paying the $60 is well worth the extra features. One of the handiest features of the Pro version is selective sync. You can view all the files on the network on your iphone/iPad, but only download what you want when you want it. I don't think this feature is available from Syncthing; if it is, it's going to take some major IT-type configs to get it to work.

So, yes, you could do it with Syncthing, but it may create some headaches. Sync is easier, but might cost a little money. The main advantage of this approach is decentralization. The main disadvantage is that you have to store the entire inventory of the network on your hard drive (unless you pay to use Sync's Selective Sync feature.)

On balance, I recommend Keybase as a more useful solution.

Hope that helps.
I appreciate how you took the time to explain everything to me. You are right. Syncthing is hard to use. Keybase sounds interesting.
 
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Depending on the logistics and cost I'd like to continue being a (small) part of something.
I've not set foot in the sharers/traders debate and have no intention of doing so; it'd be a hiding to nothing!
 
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Just to update my related effort - I am looking to be up and running by the first of the new year. To be clear - This will be a private invitation only community. The idea is exactly as previously stated only with very creative ways I have discovered to make it all a bit more interactive. The one thing no existing forum is currently. This is NOT - I repeat NOT - going to be a public community. Do not inquire about membership because it is NOT going to work that way. When it gets set and running I will contact the obvious people and start populating the site. Until then there is no point in discussing it as an option. Consider this a trade and share outpost and not a forum in the typical sense. I also do not envision it as a place to network as all members will be known and previously vetted. It something else entirely. A new forum like this seems logical for those without solid connections or that enjoy the community aspect of any forum. I cannot imagine at this point it will interest everyone - but - there is a need for something else. More power to you if you can pull it off and not have it naturally implode over time. In regards to a site to rival the Taint/SG. Keep in mind that the Taint/SG runs more like a business than a forum. Everyone has their specific area of expertise and the whole forum works together rather than against each other. There is no ego in forum at all. At least not in terms of the overall objective. It is the rarity in that every member is equal and everything is voted upon by the whole membership in terms of actions. You could not achieve that on a public level even if you tried. The entire membership of this forum - myself included - is solid evidence of that. The Taint/SG basically runs itself at this point. I have no clue how you achieve that in a public forum because everyone is going to jockey for position and someone will naturally try and stand out and rise above. It is basic human nature for someone to do so in a public setting. My useless 2 cents - If I was starting a public forum - I would restrict all shares to private dealings in forum and leave the database attachment free outside of memes and pics. Leave it as a pure networking site and allow everyone to share or not share off the main boards as they choose to do so. That will - at the very least - give you the illusion of equality outside of the upper level types who are not really there for networking and are instead looking for community interaction. You also immediately eliminate the "potential lawsuit" issue from the go. If your going to attempt this it has to be different or you will always end up with the same problems the community has suffered 5 big sites deep since 2002. It goes without saying that I no longer have any interest in a public community. It would be borderline sadomasochistic for me to ever attempt that type of insanity again. That does not mean that I am not rooting for a public option to work for the masses. I am just not at all certain - given the history of this community always repeats itself - that it actually can work. Here is to hoping someone proves me wrong. Good luck to all wherever your related endeavors take you. Nothing quite like the new car smell. #lastlastpostuntilthelastlastlastpost
 
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